tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post5285764357748422667..comments2022-11-06T04:50:09.786-08:00Comments on Feminine Wound: Unknowable GodDefyGravityhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06146916220917369607noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-31374973688135490732012-11-04T21:47:24.458-08:002012-11-04T21:47:24.458-08:00Thanks for proving my point about trolling Ryan. ;...Thanks for proving my point about trolling Ryan. ;) I appreciate it. DefyGravityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06146916220917369607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-24322216045784942922012-11-04T21:37:08.551-08:002012-11-04T21:37:08.551-08:00It has nothing to do with interpretation. It has ...It has nothing to do with interpretation. It has to do with the actual words spoken. You lie about what he said because it suits your attempt to denigrate the Church and its leaders. You can't do it truthfully, so you do it with lies.Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-51208356103774096842012-11-01T12:20:12.270-07:002012-11-01T12:20:12.270-07:00I agree that there is nothing wrong with wanting a...I agree that there is nothing wrong with wanting and trying to understand divinity and eternity and that problem occurs when we hold eternity to our understanding instead of acknowledging that our understanding is limited instead of God being limited by our understanding. <br /><br />I think you're laid out the complications of eternal gender; we are faced with fact that their are people who feel that they are in the body, and people who manifest both genders. We can't pretend they don't exist, and should try to expand our worldview to include them rather than clinging to a view that denies their existence. It's also interesting that the concept of two genders is actually in many ways a cultural construct. There are societies, Native American and Polynesian among them, that have more than two genders. Which raises the question of which concept of gender is divine: two genders or more? DefyGravityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06146916220917369607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-30813675374838547582012-11-01T12:15:14.937-07:002012-11-01T12:15:14.937-07:00I should point out that Ryan has a history of trol...I should point out that Ryan has a history of trolling The Exponent blog, my blog and other blogs he does not agree with. That is why I chose to dismiss him curtly. DefyGravityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06146916220917369607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-32770166475097090312012-10-31T13:13:32.344-07:002012-10-31T13:13:32.344-07:00I actually came to the same conclusion that DefyGr...I actually came to the same conclusion that DefyGravity did when I heard his talk because the very sentences that I strongly remember being problematic in making it sound like God would never create a gay person, were the very ones that were removed in the edited version the church published. But I respect that others could have inferred different things (and I certainly hope they did!)Lobbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921291768879322592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-36080841506431438192012-10-31T13:08:55.193-07:002012-10-31T13:08:55.193-07:00I look at it this way-if gender is eternal then th...I look at it this way-if gender is eternal then that is a spiritual aspect of who we are, but once we're born into this life, all kinds of mortal problems and imperfections can affect us physically and mentally as we live in a fallen and contradictory world. Is a person with downs syndrome, or missing a limb going to eternally have that mental capacity or missing body part? We don't believe that, and often we believe that physical ailments are trials sent to test our spirits that will one day be whole with our perfect bodies. Why on earth couldn't a spirit be given the wrong-gendered body as a trial? And what about hermaphrodites? We can't deny that they exist and have both genders in their body. According to your friend's logic, then this individual must be both genders, or maybe just couldn't decide in the pre-mortal realm and gets to choose now. (sigh.) <br />Your insights about allowing things that make sense are spot-on. Now that I have my own tiny child, I have realized how much I must be like her in the eyes of God. When things aren't clear or predictable, I get scared and demand things return to something that feels safe even if it isn't necessarily what I need or is even good for me. Maybe this life is just a metaphor for how much more we have to learn in the next. And just as a baby cannot grasp the intricacies of this world, we are unable to grasp the greatness of eternity and so we hold on to the small things we do understand. I don't think there's anything wrong with this (line upon line after all), but I DO think it becomes problematic when we deny that there is anything else beyond out current understanding and therefore something that doesn’t fit into our belief or world-view must not exist.<br />Lobbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921291768879322592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-45832352025411769102012-10-25T21:24:27.584-07:002012-10-25T21:24:27.584-07:00Or I just disagree with your interpretation. And s...Or I just disagree with your interpretation. And since I'm not bound by your interpretation, I stand by what I said.DefyGravityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06146916220917369607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-61587892059021526442012-10-25T21:09:38.923-07:002012-10-25T21:09:38.923-07:00You misrepresent, or did not understand, what Pres...You misrepresent, or did not understand, what President Packer said. Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-85525625307702960202012-10-22T14:52:14.729-07:002012-10-22T14:52:14.729-07:00Love this post!Love this post!Angelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12399082789777816445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-6581210444478396102012-10-20T15:07:38.571-07:002012-10-20T15:07:38.571-07:00I'll have to read that! I love to read about J...I'll have to read that! I love to read about Judaism (and religion in general), but Judaism, Buddhism, and Hinduism are my favorites.Lindshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14907795924376505457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-70470854280871837922012-10-20T13:23:21.104-07:002012-10-20T13:23:21.104-07:00Wow, what an insightful post. I loved the thought...Wow, what an insightful post. I loved the thought that people reject qualities of God because "God would never do something they do not understand." It's also a fantastic point that people seem to be OK with people being born into mental retardation, slavery, drug addiction, etc. but to them, apparently being gay is a choice.<br /><br />It seems to be natural for humans to want to simplify things into black and white because ambiguity is frightening.Loïehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16787506857132381276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-41630805449406765242012-10-20T09:00:00.916-07:002012-10-20T09:00:00.916-07:00I agree that the eternity of gender does not half ...I agree that the eternity of gender does not half to conflict with someone being gay for feeling they are a different gender, which is what made the conversatin I had so interesting. <br /><br />I find myself drawn to the Jewish concept of God as well. I read a book called "Our Lives as Torah" that changed my whole view of divinity. DefyGravityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06146916220917369607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6629821302710054368.post-66004290340825425162012-10-20T06:28:15.950-07:002012-10-20T06:28:15.950-07:00Good post. I tend to believe I'm the gender I&...Good post. I tend to believe I'm the gender I've always been. That doesn't contradict in my mind the notion of being being born gay/ bisexual. It's part of who they are- I'm sure there's some psychological/ genetic component that lends for homosexuality to happen, as it also occurs in nature. <br /><br />As for the nature of God, I don't think anyone can say for certain what that is. I'd like to take the Jewish mysticism viewpoint that God is inherently unknowable- we can't fathom Him/ Her.Lindshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14907795924376505457noreply@blogger.com